Tonya Davidsaver used CBD Oil for breast cancer. She is now a breast cancer survivor and I am happy that she was willing to share the information about the changes she needed to do with us.
CBD Oil for Breast Cancer – interview
Matt: Hi, my name is Matt and on today’s Cured by Nature show we have a new episode of cannabis oil success stories. In this interview with Tonya Davidsaver you will learn what protocol she used to become a cancer survivor, specifically breast cancer survivor.
In 2016 Tonya was diagnosed with a triple positive breast cancer and today she’s cancer-free and 100% healthy.
No radiation, no chemotherapy, no pharmaceutical drugs just cannabis oil, healthy natural diet, some supplements, faith, and of course the loving support from her family.
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Hi Tonya! So, you know, I’m very happy that you agreed to do this interview. We approach people that are, you know, using cannabis to treat whatever health problems they have. You’re a cancer survivor is that correct?
Tonya: Yes in two years now.
Matt: Yes, and specifically breast cancer (1) survivor, right?
Tonya: Yes, triple positive breast cancer.
Matt: Okay, so you know that was like you find out two years ago. How did that happen?
Tonya: Um, well, two and a half years ago I went and had a thermogram that I opted for instead of a mammogram, and the thermogram came up with a possible indication that I should get it checked out. So I was sent for an ultrasound and the ultrasound found a small growth and they recommended that I have a biopsy. So I went to a breast surgeon and she did her own ultrasound and she felt like the growth that they found was a little bit smaller so she thought maybe it was more of a cyst related to a menstrual cycle. So she told me let’s just wait six months, and so I went back and had another ultrasound in six months and it had grown just slightly according to the ultrasound so I went back to the breast surgeon and she decided to do a biopsy, and when she did the biopsy just there in her office she looked at the tissue that was going to be sent off for pathology and she said you know it looks perfectly healthy to me I don’t think you have anything to worry about, and then I got a call three days later that it was malignant triple positive. So that phone call came on March 31st of 2016.
Matt: I can imagine that you didn’t take that well, I mean you were hoping for good results, right, were you shocked?
Tonya: Um, I was very surprised because of what she said in the office. So I didn’t worry about it and interestingly the timing was not good because I got the call about an hour before I was getting on a flight to fly away for the weekend by myself, and so I had to receive the information, process the information, talk to my husband and my children about it, and then leave for four days. But interestingly enough I’m a Christian and God just gave me peace. From the beginning I didn’t fret over it, I just knew that he was going to lead us through it and he has, which is really wonderful. So, I…I didn’t have a breakdown, I didn’t sit in the hotel and cry, in fact, I…I don’t even think I cried about it until like six months after my surgery, so.
Matt: Okay, okay, so you were really strong there, you know, okay that’s that’s always good, you know that’s always good. Um, tell me, um, afterward I guess they suggested you know several or like a couple of alternatives what to do, maybe surgery, maybe do some you know chemotherapy, stuff like you know the regular doctors suggest, right?
Tonya: Yes, so when I went, when I got back from my trip I went right to my doctor’s office and she gave me my options. She suggested that I have a lumpectomy. At the time they only thought there was one tumor that was 9 millimeters so that’s that’s just about the size of a pea, and and so she thought I should have a lumpectomy and she encouraged me to have radiation, and she was actually one of very few doctors that do intraoperative radiation so during the lumpectomy they would have inserted a wand into the wound and radiated the area to kill any remaining left over possible cells, and and I thought I was gonna do that I thought you know then it’s done during surgery I don’t have to go through radiation a friend of mine had told me that she did it five days a week for six weeks until she couldn’t even wear clothes (she was so burned) and and I didn’t want to do that, but then the more I researched I…I actually found a study that showed that I…I didn’t have any lymph nodes involved, of course I didn’t find that out until the surgery, but that when you just had a lumpectomy, and I was supposed to be stage one at the time, they said that 97% of women with triple positive are alive at five years with radiation, and 95 percent without radiation. So I had already concluded we’ve been a mostly natural family since 1999 so almost 19 years we’ve been trying to do things naturally and holistically, and and so that’s my bent anyway, and so when I saw that I was like I’m not risking radiation in my body above my lung I have really bad asthma and above my heart for a 2 more percent, especially when it was already 95%. So it didn’t make sense to me. However, when she did a friend of mine, who I did a lot of research I spent a month researching before I had my surgery and I talked to everyone I knew and of course read a lot and researched, but a friend of mine said, “Get a breast MRI because mine, one of my tumors was missed.” So I did that and they found a second tumor and not only did they find a second tumor in the same breast the tumors were much larger than the ultrasound indicated. The one they thought was 9 millimeters was 3.8 centimeters, and then the one that they didn’t find on the ultrasound was 2.2 centimeters.
Matt: mm-hmm, I see.
Matt: So luckily your friend actually, you know, made an awesome suggestion.
Tonya: Yes, I would have never known that going into the surgery so I would have had the surgery and thought I left cancer-free not knowing there was another significantly sized tumor in my breast.
Matt: Right, right
Tonya: So I was very thankful, when I say God let our path very much: every question we had boom he put somebody in front of us, or an article in front of us, or a video in front of us that just answered that question and completely directed our path, and so that friend was one that I just am so thankful for because if I wouldn’t have called her I would have never known, my surgeon did not recommend the breast MRI though she was very willing to write it for me. So, I was very grateful for that. Unfortunately, after the first surgery, they did not get clear margins. they did tell me that the lymph nodes were clear, they took five of them, and they were all clear, but because the tumors were bigger than they thought, and because there were two and they didn’t get clear margins she recommended that I have a mastectomy. And so, I prayed about that, and I didn’t feel that that was the most conservative route to go. I was then staged at 2A because of the other tumor and the larger size. And so I asked her what Plan B would be if I didn’t want a mastectomy, and she said, “Full breast radiation,” so I, of course, said, “Well what’s Plan C,” and so plan C she said, “Let’s just go back in and get clear margins.” And so that’s what I opted for. I did that one week after my original surgery, so I had two surgeries in a week. And then after that, I started on my regimen that I had determined was the path that I was going to go, which included the cannabis oil.
Matt: mm-hmm, fantastic. How come you know decided for that and how could how did you come across that?
Tonya: Well, one of the first things my husband and I stumbled on was the documentary “The Truth About Cancer.”
Tonya: And that went through all kinds of things. Have you seen that?
Tonya: Okay, so cannabis oil was one of those, and I was actually very hesitant to use those. I come from a background where when I was raised my dad abused drugs and alcohol, which included smoking pot, and because of that environment which was not a good environment for children, there was a lot of just abuse and neglect and I just thought I would never have anything to do with drugs and abusing alcohol. And so that was really hard for me, but we purpose to research it, and the research really spoke for itself. The testimonies that I read, the studies that I read, really really indicated to me that I should have that as part of my protocol, but I will say that I got a medical marijuana card because in Arizona there’s medical use, legal. First time I went to a dispensary I literally burst into tears because I just couldn’t believe that I was finding myself in the dispensary, but I’m I am now convinced two years later after talking to so many people that even chose some of the same protocol that I’m doing, but did not use the cannabis oil that that is what’s helping me stay, because so many people have had it come back within six months to a year and one lady I talked to that has not used cannabis oil within six months this exact same cancer that I had without lymph node involvement had spread to multiple areas of her body and she had a mastectomy. So I I know that the research that I showed says that it’s not one thing. That you can’t just do cannabis oil and be fine. There really needs to be an entire lifestyle change, which is what I chose.
Matt: Awesome, I’m glad you pointed that out because there’s so many people that talk to me and you know even my relatives and they they they smoke cigarettes, they drink whiskey, or whatever, they just have a really bad lifestyle: they do not exercise at all ever almost they don’t ever leave the couch and they’re looking for a drop of some magical you know drug or magical medicine that’s gonna save their life. Well, on the other hand, they won’t lift a finger to do anything by themselves, and I keeps telling them you know it’s it’s you who are gonna do this.
Tonya: Well on thing that was really helpful, I did do the genetic counselling and testing to see if the cancer was related to to genetics with the Bratva. And and I was negative for genetics, which was good because then they would have been pushing me to do other surgeries, remove my ovaries those kind of things, however, one thing that was really helpful is the genetic counselor told me that they know that only 10% of cancers are related to genetics. That 10% are genetics, 10% they don’t know, and 80% are lifestyle.
Tonya: So even getting that from the geneticist was very helpful in me not panicking, and I’m going this is systemic. It went along with my what my research was saying that just cutting it out isn’t the answer. And so I knew I needed to do more than that and that it’s systemic. And I had known for years that we all already have cancer cells in our bodies it’s just that our immune system is supposed to keep it from becoming malignant tumors. And so I knew that the immune system was the the key which is again why I ended up going holistically instead of, I knew my body didn’t need tamoxifen. I was recommended to have I thought I told you the radition, which I denied, but because I was triple positive which means estrogen positive, progesterone positive, and HER2 positive they wanted me to take tamoxifen to essentially destroy my hormones estrogen, and then they wanted me to take Herceptin which is supposed to block the HER2 receptors. However, my research showed that tamoxifen causes ovarian and uterine cancer, and talks and then Herceptin causes lung and heart damage that’s permanent, so…
Tonya: ….and it’s only a small percentage I just wasn’t willing to take that risk, and I’ve always kind of subscribed to the idea that I heard years ago that if I’ve got a headache I don’t have a headache because my body needs aspirin or ibuprofen or acetaminophen. There’s a reason that I have a headache.
Matt: Of course.
Tonya: Okay so we need to address the reason, why did I have cancer? It’s not because I needed tamoxifen, it’s not because I needed Herceptin or radiation, I needed to find out why. And obviously there’s no clear answer, but knowing that it’s holistic and systemic throughout your whole body which means you have to treat the whole body and I believe your spirit and soul too because I really believe that stress was what caused mine.
Matt: Yes, and you’re absolutely right. Besides the cannabis oil for your breast cancer, what else as holistically you try – what else was it that you tried?
Tonya: Okay, so I made some notes, I’ll put my glasses on because my eyes are getting old. One of the, the main things are diet, of course, I we already ate mostly healthy, but I refined that quite a bit. I eat organic as much as possible, and then I I try not to have sugar just on special occasions, I got out all processed carbs. In fact, I try not to even eat even whole grains very often. I didn’t completely eliminate them and I didn’t believe that vegan was the right for me. I’ve done a vegan diet before and I was miserable on it. I just felt weak and I had headaches, and and so I knew I needed protein and that it needed to be organic free-range protein as much as possible. So you got diet, which includes juicing. I don’t juice as much as I did the first year and it’s something that I want to get back started up doing again. Juicing, exercise, I struggle with exercise, one I don’t enjoy exercise and I don’t know why, but I always end up more hurt than helped, it seems like, but I’m also really really busy and it’s fine hard to find that time, but I have a son that, my youngest son that I still homeschool, he’s 14 and he and I are going to start going to the gym together and working out together in the next couple of weeks. We both kind of have been sick and trying to get over stuff and so we’re waiting to to feel better. Exercise, sauna, yoga, that kind of stuff. Regulating my stress there I have a not only just normal stress from life being busy, but we’ve had a lot of emotional stress with trials in our family over the last five or six years. And so just learning new ways to manage my stress has been very helpful, and another thing that came up is sleep and rest. I wasn’t never getting enough sleep or allowing myself to rest. And so now when I go to bed, and I go to bed really late because I have two adults that live in the house and I’m waiting for them to come home sometimes or I’m just a night owl, and I always have been, but I always made myself get up and get my day started because I don’t work outside of the home and because I homeschool my son and I’m down to just one now. We have a very flexible schedule, so I don’t set my alarm I wake up when my body wakes up and sometimes that’s right at eight hours and sometimes I need 10, I just never know and we just roll with that and I found that I felt I feel a lot better that way I have more energy. And then supplements, of course, I take a ridiculous amount of supplements. I think though compared to some people I the lady I talked to that I said before she takes like 50 supplements and I take 17.
Tonya: I don’t feel like I take as many, but I take supplements that are immune system building, and then I take some that are studied that say that they kill cancer like turmeric, curcumin, resveratrol, green tea extract, and then I also take some that are for lowering estrogen, ones called “dim” and the other is called “bra brocco max.” Essentially, all those are are cruciferous vegetables that have been freeze-dried in cruciferous vest vegetables broccoli and cauliflower and and all of those, which I don’t like to eat a lot of those, I don’t feel great when I eat a lot of those, but I take the supplements that help lower estrogen. So, and vitamin d3 is huge, and then, let’s see, oil, krill oil for fish oil I take for inflammation. what else? Trace minerals and digestive enzymes and selenium and vitamin C. If I didn’t see an Amla, and amla is a fruit that has really really concentrated amounts of vitamin C and it absorbs into your body a little bit different than just taking oral vitamin C. I never did the vitamin C IVs just because they’re so expensive. With going all natural you know everything is out of your pocket.
Matt: I know.
Tonya: Insurance doesn’t cover anything. And so I tried to limit our outlay as much as possible. And so I just take vitamin C and Amla in replacement for that, and so far I’m doing well.
Matt: Yes, you’re absolutely on the right track. Tell me, could you describe a little bit like what was your lifestyle before? You know that now you’ve described how you changed it, and what supplements you’re taking and and all that. What was your lifestyle before? I want to know, everybody wants to know, like you know your your lifestyle was probably not that off, at all you know. It was just like an ordinary lifestyle, probably, but hey, why don’t you just, you know, describe a little bit of, you know, the extra stress. And and I know the stress about with the kids, I got four kids myself, we don’t homeschool because there’s just not enough time and that’s not really a practice in our country, but you know I admire homeschooling so much and I think they are far better off than if they were in school. Anyway, so so there’s stress levels you would just ordinary life you know just going through the day it can be crazy but, can you go into a little bit more details about that, like how was it before?
Tonya: Umm, sure, well thank you for your encouragement about homeschooling. It’s definitely a full-time job because there’s no break and and people have asked me many times about it, and I said the homeschooling I love, it’s just trying to find balance in my life that I still after, let’s see my eldest is 24, so that’s how long I’ve been homeschooling since he was he wasn’t even five yet, he was almost five, so almost 20 years, I guess. Balancing, managing the home, balancing friendships, marriage, volunteering outside of the home, and and all of that with the full-time job of being responsible for my four children’s education is a lot and I that so that was a lot of the stress. Four little boys which seemed like insanity on some days the energy that they have none of them want to sit down and read a book. They all want a ball and they excuse me they all want to just be busy and wrestling and all of that. And so it’s everyday seem to be um stressful, but in a good way, but fast-forward to just six years ago our family hit a pretty serious trial with our oldest son, and it was very emotionally stressful. In fact, I I carried stress in my chest for the first time. I had never, I felt like I had this elephant on my chest it was very very difficult. And and so now that I look back after all of my studies it’s not surprising to me that the cancer was in my breast because for two years I carried this stress that I just couldn’t get rid of, I mean I I tried everything – I tried breathing exercises, I tried drinking wine, if he felt bad I mean I I tried all kinds of different things, obviously praying and counseling, but I couldn’t get this physical stress off of my chest for two years, and it wasn’t until at two years, but actually, yeah it was two years, I ended up. Okay you fast-forward one year from that six years and we started what I jokingly referred to as six months from hell in our family. and our family extended family and in our immediate family went through trial after trial after trial, from our dog that we just loved, he was three years old unexpectedly died. we woke up in the morning and he was gone, and the next day my mother-in-law had a stroke which she almost died from and was very debilitating. Just like three weeks after that one of my best friends and a spiritual mentor of mine for 20 years her 23 old son was killed, and that was devastating. and and then a month later I lost my hearing in my right ear and there was no explanation and so they did an MRI and they found out I had a brain tumor. So fortunately brain tumor was benign, but that added stress. and then and then my son who we were we were struggling with decided to move out and that was really hard for me because of the choices that he was making were not gonna be beneficial to him, and it was hard to let him go. And and at the same time as that happened my husband left a 20-year career to start his own business that at time kind of seemed to me like too much was going on. There was just so much that was emotional, and hard, and I carried that, but then because of the diagnosis of a brain tumor that found me to a neurologist, and this neurologist, though he was gracious to confirm it was benign, he just nothing happened you have any other neurological issues, and I told him that I’d suffered from migraines like every I’ve had a headache every day of my life since I was like 12, and had migraines since I was 12. And he wanted to start helping me with that, and he tried a couple of different medications and it turned out one of those medications was an antidepressant. And though it was taken at a very low dose, which is not at an antidepressant level, just taking that lifted the stress off of my chest. And so I might have carried that for even longer, but that medication and I only took it for about six months because I didn’t like how I felt on it, and fortunately that starts didn’t return that way. It’s when I get it it it’s only momentary it doesn’t linger like it did for those two years. So I think the combination of just a demanding lifestyle in the home and out of the home, and then a multitude of of relational and tragedy type trials over a two-year period is what put my body in lockdown, where my immune system was just majorly compromised.
Matt: Yes, it was a bumpy road and it you know it’s it’s life that’s how things can go sometimes and we can just try to do the best we can. So it was basically stress because you guys were living a pretty healthy life um already living almost entirely organically and all that. So so you got a medical marijuana card when you decided that you want to go with the cannabis oil, and you want to you know kind of top it off with with with cannabis oil. You know that’s what your research showed you, and did you did you get marijuana and make the oil? Did you buy the oil yourself in the dispensary? How did that go?
Tonya: Well at first I was buying the oil in syringes that was already made, and my research showed that I had to do high CBD to low THC because THC with estrogen positive and HER2 positive can actually make things worse. So all of my research showed it I either need to be at least a one-to-one ratio or a three-to-one ratio with CBD being three and one point. So I started with that in a syringe I tried to just take it some lingually I really didn’t like the taste, and so then I started putting it in capsules and that was really hard with the syringe because sometimes it would just bloop too much out and very hard to measure. So then I found another dispensary that actually sells them in capsules. So right now I take 75 milligrams of CBD to 25 milligrams of THC. And so I know that’s measured. I did try making it myself once I watched a lot of YouTube videos on how to do coconut oil infused, did it in the crock-pot, really thought the smell was going to just throw me over. I was telling my husband is not worth it. I thought it would really save a lot of money. It was still very expensive. I think that the one ounce I think I had to buy one ounce of flour that was still like $250, I think, but I was able to make a gazillion capsules. Unfortunately, I did take it to a lab to have it tested and the amount of CBD and THC in it was it was miniscule. It was almost undetectable and I was really really disappointed. especially after spending that much money because there was no good way to know how much I was getting. So I just went back to buying the capsules. I just go once a month and get enough for a month and it probably costs me around $200 to $250 a month for that here because in Arizona even though it’s it’s legal medicinally it’s not legal to grow your own anyway which would be a lot cheaper of course if I can figure out how to make it and not have it have almost nothing good in it, but that right now is not an option in Arizona.
Matt: I understand yes I think that the process you used just didn’t pull what’s in in the plant what’s in the cannabis plant, it just didn’t pull everything that it should out of the plant. So you know you probably threw the plant material when you threw it away you threw all the good stuff away with it. And you know when you you have the option to buy it in the dispensary where it’s everything’s lab-tested and all that it’s probably the best option anyway. now even though you’re two years in the clear and you know negative and all that you’re still taking that amount like 75 milligrams of CBD with 25 milligrams of THC per day plus juicing and all that stuff, which of course we never do enough of exercising and juicing and the healthy living because we’re part of the Western world and that’s always a challenge. Tell me okay so you guys in Arizona have dispensaries and all that and you know did did you approach your doctor afterwards by saying you know I want to do this with cannabis oil and with lifestyle changes and what did your doctor say?
Tonya: Well I’ve not talked with my surgeon about it and because I of the research that I did I never went to just a regular oncologist because I knew they only gonna give me two answers: chemo and radiation.
Matt: Right, yes.
Tonya: So I did not go to that, you know my son was texting me, and so I go to a naturopath who is also a certified oncologist. so he’s gone through oncology training, but she does things from both conventional medicine and naturopathic medicine. So I I’m actually going to change doctors in the near future because she’s kind of gone off on it on a different tangent. She’s met my needs for the last two years. My very first appointment she actually did tell me that I should reconsider taking tamoxifen and herceptin, and I just said “No, I’m not gonna do that, so if you want to be my doctor you need to understand that I I feel like I’m in charge of my health not you’re in charge of my health. You’re here to help me.” And essentially I brought in all of what I had researched them what I thought was right and other than saying I’ve got a better product than that you know this one’s not the best one or you need to take this much of each one, she didn’t give me much more direction than that. She basically gave her stamp of approval and was surprised that I knew so much. So she’s ordered my blood work, and she’s ordered other tests like my breast MRI that I had at one year that was clear, and but other than that when I asked her about the medical marijuana she would not talk to me about it. She didn’t discourage me from taking it and she told me if I was going to take it that I should take it for at least two years, and I thought that I would only take it for two years, but I’m also finding other benefits. I know the CBD helps me with pain and inflammation, so I had actually lowered my levels to kind of save a little bit of money and I started having joint pain and umm inflammation that has registered. like when I go to the health club and they do all my biometrics and all that it shows that my inflammation is too high and even though I’m on a pretty much anti-inflammatory diet I’m still struggling with inflammation, so I upped my just CBD back up to the 75. I was at 25 to 25 again, and then I just I upped it a couple of months ago to help with that. So she didn’t want to talk about it she thought that even though it’s legal she couldn’t as a as a medical doctor talk to me about marijuana. So I’ve since learned that that’s actually wrong, and it’s just like doctors don’t always understand the law and she thought she would get in trouble. And so all of my information on how much I should take and what I should take has come from our own research through reading books about medical marijuana, or you know all kinds of blogs that I read and and stuff like that. So I did the dispensary they don’t know a lot about cancer. They rarely can answer my questions, so I just have to lean on my own research and networking with other people.
Matt: Yes and you know doctors are also you know indoctrinated from the pharmaceutical industry.
Tonya: I wouldn’t have expected that from a naturopath, that’s what really surprised me.
Matt: Yes I’m also surprised about that but on the other hand I mean yes you’re absolutely right you would you’d think that she got her medical knowledge so she knows the human body and all that stuff, but the natural pathways is what she is all about, right?
Matt: So you know cannabis is just being is just something that’s perfect for the human body because the human body has the endocannabinoids system and all that, but hey, you know what you’ve mentioned before using cannabis oil and you know CBD specifically and that brought up other benefits and that was exactly what my next question was. So what were like other positive things, positive impact on your health that you saw either CBD or THC and just you know CBD or cannabis oil in general had for your health?
Tonya: Well the inflammation for sure, that that I mentioned a few minutes ago notice to help with that. The other major thing that I’ve had help with is sleep. So I’ve always struggled with sleeping, staying asleep, insomnia, light sleeper I hear everything going on in the house, so I never really got much sleep. So I only take the THC at night because it’s it’s such a small amount and I can’t really take it during the day because I couldn’t drive with it and and I take the indica form, so that’s what makes me sleep, but I take it about two hours before bedtime. And I mean sometimes in an hour it starts kicking in and I’m like “I got to get in bed now,” or sometimes at two hours I’m like, “Wow, was that capsule right?” because nothing but once I fall asleep I I am crashed for a solid four hours, and and then I sleep pretty well. I always have to get up in the middle of the night and use the restroom, but other than that, I used to not even be able to go back to sleep if I did that now I just go back to sleep and I get my full eight hours and that has been so helpful.
Matt: What about CBD for stress? Or THC helps with stress as well, but you only take it at night, but during the day you’re taking CBD and did you notice any changes on with your stress levels?
Tonya: I don’t know if I…I didn’t used to take it during the day now I just started taking it during the day in the last couple of months I used to just take my dose at night. And so I didn’t I didn’t notice if it was the medicine however, but because you know in my research it showed how much stress affects the body I have been very purposeful in making different and difficult choices in my life – even having to cut out toxic people and and just tell myself when I start feeling stressed I have to remind myself this isn’t important to get stressed about, or you’re overreacting to something that’s minor, and not taking things personally that weren’t meant for me. And so I don’t know if it’s the CBD helping and I’m sure it being in my system helps, but I know that there’s been very practical and purposeful things that I have implemented in my life to manage my stress, and that has helped a lot.
Matt: One last question: anything else that you can think of like that would help people going through the same kind of stuff that you went through? Like obviously you know first of all you know be ready to make some changes in your life, right. Do the research, there’s a lot of stuff out there and a lot of it is you know just noise, but there’s a lot of good stuff out there as well. And, what else?
Tonya: Um, I think um one of the things is having support. And I mean I have the natural support system of my family and fortunately my husband and I were in total agreement as to my path so there wasn’t conflict there. And then our children really understood I was worried about them being supportive because most people when they hear cancer all they think is, “You got to do chemo and radiation! It’s the only way.” Right, and I was concerned that they would question that I was doing enough, and but they were all very supportive and I think part of that comes from because we’ve been raised now they’ve been raised naturally for most of their life. I mean my kids don’t get a sniffle and we run to the doctor. I give them vitamin C and garlic, you know?
Tonya: Econecia maybe, you know maybe and and say okay don’t have any sugar for the rest of the week because it suppresses your immune system and and stuff like that so it wasn’t I don’t think it was a total surprise to them, but having their support has been very helpful. And then I really only had one friend challenge me and she was very gentle and it thankfully because I’ve heard horror stories of even family members essentially turning their backs on cancer patients because they think they’re wrong for not doing chemo and radiation. And my one friend was just worried and she just gently encouraged me to think about some things, but she’s come along and been 100% supportive and respectful and and I think that many people are starting to see that the results. So they what I have told people from the beginning is I don’t know how this turns out. None of us know how anything turns out, really. None of us know the future, but I do know that if it comes back then I’ll see where the Lord leads me then. I I can’t even imagine Him leading me to chemo and radiation, but I don’t know what the future holds. but I know that I can say I’ve lived the last two years feeling better than I’ve ever felt. I know that my diagnosis came right before my third son’s senior year, and when I was processing chemo and radiation for a year then how was I going to be able to be there to be in the stands cheering him on during his basketball games? And his volleyball games? And being there for senior night? And I did what it is his life because my life has been my family and it didn’t make sense to me that I would put my life on hold for something that I actually didn’t believe was actually the answer. And so I didn’t let any pressure make me make a decision and because I had so many people that encouraged me, came alongside and I found support systems on Facebook private groups for people people dealing things naturally, that was very hopeful and affirming whereas I was invited to a Facebook group from an acquaintance and it was from local ladies in my area, but as I got on that private page almost everybody was conventional and everyday I was reading about somebody passing away, somebody in hospice, the suffering from the side effects of the chemo or the medications they were taking that’s when I would get fearful, and I would get really worked up about it and I would almost like hear this voice saying, “Who do you think you are thinking you’re gonna beat this with diet and vitamins?” You know, but I realized after I prayed about it that I only felt that fear when I was reading what conventional people were writing.
Tonya: And so I just got off of that page and the fear went away. And so I think having a place where you can go to talk to people, whether it’s the Facebook forum, who are people on the same page and are gonna support you is very more important because it’s it would not be something somebody should do alone, it’s too hard, they need a network of encouragement that they are going the right way and people are respecting their choices because the reality is is I could have done chemo and radiation and and maybe I would have been cleared of it. I don’t know, but I know that everyone I know who had cancer that went that route if they were three years or more out there cancer had returned so. That wasn’t a guarantee to me, it was just buying time, well I feel like I’ve already bought myself time and I haven’t had to endure that.
Matt: And also the percentage of the success the success rate of chemo and radiation yes you know not very encouraging.
Tonya: It’s not at all.
Matt: And conventional medicine would you know kind of presents the information in the way that it looks like there’s the success is pretty high, but again when you’re doing research yourself and you like like you said you did join that group with the conventional you know people supporting the conventional ways and you’re just finding out that there’s people dying all the time from it you see that maybe the numbers are not that transparent and they’re maybe they’re lower than what they’re presenting us. And so I think you made a right choice and you know I think we’re meant to be living with nature and not as a you know a bystander like we’re not part of it, we are part of it you know. so anyway I think you’re super courageous, you know so really it took a lot of courage. Obviously you’re saying you had support, but yeah from from the beginning it took a lot of courage and and again when when the voice like that happens when you’re thinking, “Hey why is this voice saying to me that hey who do you think you are that you think you can be this?” And you you wonder who where’s this voice coming from, and then you see that it’s it’s not a voice from God or whatever, it’s it’s actually you know much more simple than that you’re just reading the wrong stuff. And it’s just putting the wrong stuff in your mind, and you need the right stuff in your mind to be able to go through this and succeed, right?
Tonya: Well, yes, correct and and one of the things that empowered me so much, I was meeting with a woman for my church who was a at the time 27 year cervical cancer survivor and she healed herself, or she would say God healed her or led her to what she did, but she healed herself by water fasting for 40 days and literally water only for 40 days. And and she went back to the gynecologist and her cancer was gone.
Tonya: So it was amazing, but one of the things she said to me was I had used when we were chatting how you used the term to extend my life and she said, “you need to remember that God has numbered your days.” And and the Bible says that and I believe that God knows the trajectory of my life, but he gives us free will to make our choices daily, and I walked away with that. It was so profound to me because I thought you know if God knows the the length of my life that means I get to choose what those days look like, and I chose that they didn’t look like chemo and radiation.
Tonya: I got choose that I’m gonna build myself up. I’m gonna build this body up, and guess what if if for some crazy reason it comes back that doesn’t mean that I’m gonna just cave and say, “It didn’t work.” I’m I’m gonna maybe even be more strict, I am. I’ve gotten a little bit lax on my diet in the last year. It doesn’t help that my sons play sports and we’re out all the time and and we eat out too much and even eating out we try to eat as healthy as we possibly can, we’re not going to McDonald’s or anything like that…
Tonya: So it just empowered me to say, “no I get to decide what my days look like,” and I don’t have to let a doctor tell me that I have to take chemo for a year and and disrupt my life like that. I know there are other choices and that’s that’s to me the most important thing about what you’re doing and what Truth about Cancer’s doing, and so many of these websites are doing is if people will just research they’ll find out that there are so many other options that chemo and radiation are not the only option, but I think most people that’s all that they know, and that’s why they just do it. and and it doesn’t help that doctors fear them into, “you must do this today you know you must schedule surgery for next week,” where when I realize that no this has been growing for years probably, I don’t have to make an urgent decision I can take time to research and and talk to people and determine what I wanted to go and and there’s no way I can I can overstate how helpful I mean a supportive spouse was. I mean we literally laid down everything, I didn’t home school, he didn’t work, we just researched for almost exactly a month before we made our decision because that became our top priority as to what we were gonna do so…
Matt: Of course what else is there, you know.
Tonya: Yeah, yeah.
Matt: Yeah, yeah. Tonya this has been an amazing interview. I wanna thank you so much for your time. what a great story about beating breast cancer with CBD oil or cannabis oil, some healthy natural diet, and family support. I want to thank Tonya for being so totally open about her life and I know this is going to help so many women that are fighting breast cancer. If you have any questions, simply ask in the comments below or just send us an email to firstname.lastname@example.org. If you like this video don’t forget to give it thumbs up. For more content there’s just like this subscribe and follow us and also make sure you jump to our website curedbynature.org and subscribe to become cure by nature exclusive inner circle member. Please help us spread this knowledge and share this video. I am Matt, thanks for watching.
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